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    37 Ford five window coupe

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    jerryj

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    37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  jerryj on Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:42 pm

    Well I guess I need to step up and start posting something about my project or I'm afraid Darkside Dave will show up on my doorstep. Lol

    I'm currently working on a old school hot rod with some cleverly disguised modern conveniences.





    This was a whole car, everything but windows, interior, engine and transmission. I will start this page off with a before picture. Stripping all the stuff off the body wasn't that exciting. So here's where I will really kick off the project.

    So here's the plan: Turn this car into a radical 50's style hot rod that will turn heads where ever it goes. Make it as period correct as I can while having modern day drivability and dependability.



    Say hello to my big friend! Is this radical enough? Here is my blown, fuel injected hemi. There is more here than meets the eye.



    Here is the underside of the intake. It is modified for direct port EFI. I will have more on the EFI system later.

    I have several things going on at once but I'll start off with the 5" chop.



    There is a lot of measuring, marking and verification. I used masking tape to define the areas I intend to cut.



    I had to change this area three times to make sure everything was going to line up. I tried to make sure that when the top came back together the rear window seal lip would line up in the corners.The "Z" shaped cut will help add strength to the areas I would be welding



    You can see here we have made the first set of cuts. It was important that I take several measurements between the "A" pillars to make sure the cut points lined up as close as possible.



    This is the door jam. As you can see I staggered the cut line and kept it close to the corner for added strength and it will be easier to hide.



    Only a couple more cuts to go and the top will be free. With the metal removed I think you can get a better idea on how it will go back together. Once the cuts are finished we will slide the top forward and match up the "A" pillars.



    My son Corey and I are working on the final cuts. I'm marking the bodyline where the top will slide forward. I will take a section out at the bottom of the windows at the point where I have the marker.



    The cutting was the fun and fast. Corey is helping me start on the slow and not so fun part.



    Well here it is all cut apart. The lower back section was slid back on to the trunk.





    I guess I should apologize first. I was so excited to see it going back together so nicely I forgot to take pictures. To summarize, the top was moved down and forward to line up the "A" pillars. I did not have to cut or change the angle of the "A" pillars. The "B" pillar was split and when I moved the top forward the upper potion of the "B" pillar moved forward. I cut it just below the drip rail and moved it back and lined it up with the lower section. I moved the lower section cut below the rear window forward to line back up with the top which created about a 6" gap between the trunk and the rear window. I created a new panel to fill that gap.


    I have done quite a bit more on both the engine and body since these pictures were taken. After this weekend I should be ready to start leading all the seams. I'll try to get some updated pictures up in the next few days.





    Darkside Dave
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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  Darkside Dave on Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:00 pm

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    Hi Jerry,
    Great project Man... I just made it into a STICKY as I do all the build threads. Can't wait to see more.

    Later Man...



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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  jerryj on Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:31 pm

    Thanks Dave. I'm sorry it took me so long to get this posted. I should have some more to post next week but it's to darn hot to work out in that barn.

    tomget

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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  tomget on Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:24 pm

    Hey Jerry Welcome

    Cool coupe. Really like those Fords. I've only chopped once--my 48International--and I never thought of staggering that back of roof cut. I'm sure that's a good idea...For sure it will be easier to hide than one long seam across the back--At least to me it looks like an advantage in cosmetics and probably better structurally too. You'll be getting a little shear-like strength with that resulting extra vertical line--I would suspect. All good.

    That motor is wild. EFI? IMO the only way to go..The only EFI motor I have is in my 92Ranger 2.3L and its my best running truck too--mileage/environment and all especially. Hemi/wild. Can't do better.

    Goodluck with that
    Tom

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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  jerryj on Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:24 pm

    Thanks Tom. Those staggered cuts have tons of advantages but probably the biggest is strength. Also the rear section was cake to re-align because of those cuts. The "A" pillars were the only places I didn't stagger the cuts. This is not the first chop I have done but it was probably the most challenging. Last year I helped a young man chop his El Camino. He actually did the all the work I just supervised. Below is a picture of his car. It should be on an upcoming episode of My Classic Car.



    As far as the EFI system goes, I have put a great deal of thought and work so that all the sensors, wires and all elements of the system are concealed. I could probably write a book about the engine alone.

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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  stevof1 on Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:36 am

    Great post. I like the chp and an envious of your engine. This will be a fun build to watch.

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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  Darkside Dave on Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:23 am

    jerryj wrote:Thanks Dave. I'm sorry it took me so long to get this posted. I should have some more to post next week but it's to darn hot to work out in that barn.

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    Tell me about it Man... My only salvation is that my shop is air conditioned. If it weren't for that I wouldn't go near the place in this heat. As you know, I'm in about the same latitude as you are and only a little over 100 air miles to the East. I even let the yard go for two weeks because I was not about to go out there in that heat and deal with it. We had a car show last week and another on this Saturday. I'm dreading that. At least this one is on grass and there is some shade.

    Later Man...


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    heat!!!!!!!!!

    Post  DL BOGART on Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:12 pm

    I can only stand to be in the garage early in the am or after dark. My only projects are the garage itself, and some home improvements. Haven't found my next project yet. Great build, lotsa work but doin a great job!

    tomget

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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  tomget on Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:38 pm

    I like that El Camino Jerry/nice. I'm more into customs now than in most of my building career. Its funny how things I didn't like when I was a kid or later even/now I'm thinking they're the best. haha. I guess we change. I've kinda been on the look out for a 50Ford 2 door or similar--I'd like to make a easy does it Custom. Nothing super radical, but a sorta classic 50Merc like custom..Chopped low to the ground/probably air bags..but? maybe not and some sort of fancy paint too. I wouldnt even dream of finding a 50 Merc or similar that I could afford. Of course a 40 or 50 Merc would be my first choices. Although they've been so well customized maybe I wouldn't want my work compared to the great ones already out there. But nowadays I'm getting a little long in the tooth and short on the finances. I think maybe caretaking what I've already built may be the best I can do...But who know's I cruise Craigs list on occassion and keep my eyes open for unfinished or unstarted(my first choice) candidates. "you never know if you dont' try"

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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  stevof1 on Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:49 pm

    Tom at the rate I'm going, you could have at it on my 48! Smile Steve.

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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  tomget on Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:45 pm

    stevof1 wrote:Tom at the rate I'm going, you could have at it on my 48! Smile Steve.
    I was thinking about you Steve---Come on Get Going with that---you're almost done...Don't give up. Its normal to take a breather. We all do it. You made a tremendous and rapid beginning-all good--now you've just tired of all. Boy do I know how that is. The secret as taught to me...and I've told others--hope I'm not repeating myself to you, but one has to make a "deal with themselves" to just go out and do "something"/"anything" on the truck for 10minutes. And after 10 minutes you're allowed to quit..but until you've done the 10 minutes of whatever..work. Maybe even just looking at it for 10 minutes. Its some sort of "trick" because after 10minutes on anything/cars/trucks/household chores--doesn't matter what it is..mostly almost always one just gets into it and continues for hours or less/but continues all the same, and feel good about it! Why that is I don't know. But I've used that trick of "self motivation" all my life, and its been working and helpful for me.

    You're almost done..

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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  jerryj on Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:30 pm

    It's has been just to hot to work out in that steel barn. I have made some progress but mostly on the engine. I went to the Street Rod Nationals with a couple friends last weekend and had a blast. It amazes me that so many of the vendors just seem to have the attitude that their time is way more important than mine. I went down there expecting to spend some real $ but I guess my money wasn't good enough. I even got upset enough to ask the guy do I need to be wearing an Armani suit for you to take interest.



    I've had the doors done but just got around to taking a picture. I have been thinking about suicide doors. What do you think?



    I picked up a few parts for the engine at the Nationals.

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    And then what'd he say ???

    Post  Darkside Dave on Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:05 am

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    Hi Jerry,

    YOU WROTE:
    "I went down there expecting to spend some real $ but I guess my money wasn't good enough. I even got upset enough to ask the guy do I need to be wearing an Armani suit for you to take interest."

    So, what was his response? I run into this once in a great while and I have to wonder what the owners of these companies would have to say to these people if they knew what was going on. I have been known to make calls and send e-mails. You would be surprised how much response you get from the top.

    Man you are so right about the heat... Yesterday was the first time in weeks that I have been able to open the shop doors and actually feel comfortable while working. My electric bill for the air conditioning is probably going to top $300.00 this month.

    Suicide doors eh??? I don't know about that... I like it the way it is but hey, that's just me. Don't get me wrong, I like what you have done so far but sometimes I think the projects tend to go too far. There is something to be said for minimalism.

    Later Man...


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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  stevof1 on Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:03 pm

    tomget wrote:
    stevof1 wrote:Tom at the rate I'm going, you could have at it on my 48! Smile Steve.
    I was thinking about you Steve---Come on Get Going with that---you're almost done...Don't give up. Its normal to take a breather. We all do it. You made a tremendous and rapid beginning-all good--now you've just tired of all. Boy do I know how that is. The secret as taught to me...and I've told others--hope I'm not repeating myself to you, but one has to make a "deal with themselves" to just go out and do "something"/"anything" on the truck for 10minutes. And after 10 minutes you're allowed to quit..but until you've done the 10 minutes of whatever..work. Maybe even just looking at it for 10 minutes. Its some sort of "trick" because after 10minutes on anything/cars/trucks/household chores--doesn't matter what it is..mostly almost always one just gets into it and continues for hours or less/but continues all the same, and feel good about it! Why that is I don't know. But I've used that trick of "self motivation" all my life, and its been working and helpful for me.

    You're almost done..
    Yeah Tom. I'm close but with some issues that need attention. I need to either make a custom header for the drivers side, or move the engine foward enough to clear the steering box. That means, new drive line, new transmission mount and rewelded motor mounts. So I took a break to think about it. Plus cash is tight now. A friend/mechanic mioght take over at this point, just gonna be costly! In the mean time everything seems to be needing repair around the house, so alot of time and energy and cash are going into household maintenance! Oh well sooner or later I'll get to it.

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    Re: 37 Ford five window coupe

    Post  jerryj on Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:34 pm

    Dave, I had it happen at the Good Guys show last year with a guy from H&H. I called the shop and talked to the owner about it and it ended up that he was the person I was calling about. I told both of them the same thing about the suit and also stated that the bad economy must not be effecting their business if they could treat potential customers like that. In both cases they apologized. I have owned a couple of businesses: one was the second largest archery shop in the country and a engineering firm with offices in Dayton, OH., Orlando, FL. and Oklahoma City supporting both military and commercial contracts. I was self employed from 1988 until 2004 when I semi retired at 44 years old. I would never treat my customers like that. If I have a problem with someone they are going to know it. It's simple, I'll give you the same respect you give me. It amazes me how many people in our own hobby have such a negative and unsociable attitude. That's one of the main reasons I like this site. People are helpful, encouraging and are open minded to all types of projects.

    I'm not totally sold on the suicide doors yet either so I thought I'd through it out there.

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