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    Darkside Dave
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    Do you buy this ???

    Post  Darkside Dave on Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:10 am

    Check this out...

    http://www.hp2g.com/

    I seem to remember a few bumpy trips down this road before...

    Check this out and let.s have some comentary on this.

    Later Folks...


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    Post  Ed Systems on Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:48 am

    to be honest, if it really is that good, it would be front page news all over the world, with the way the envirofreaks are going now days.
    looks like a load of BS to me.

    the rules of thermodynamics rule out 99.99% of so called 'free energy' and 'super efficient' concepts anyway.

    Electric vehicles are the only way to go as long as the power to charge them is cheaper than gas!
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    Post  Darkside Dave on Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:05 am

    Hi Ed,
    Good to hear from you. For the most part I tend to agree with you. And as I pointed out, this is not the first time I have seen things with as much supposed credibility as this. On the other hand I am always holding out hope against the odds. I did a little cross research on this guy and his engine. I Got one little snippet that suggested that hygrogen injection may be part of his system. If so then they are either disregarding the expense of buying or generating the hydrogen. Other than expensive hydrogen extraction fron petro sources, there is the electrolysis method using ion tainted water. That process so far has been reserved for making extremely pure hydrogen for lab usesd and it is not effecient. So far as I know, no one hase ever even achieved unity gain of input energy vs. output energy. That said, there have been some interesting process tried with high frequency and voltage pulses. Supposedly thet has increased the effeciency. I have nothing verfiable on that though.

    As usual, I'll be taking a sit back and watch attitude on this. This may be just another attenpt to make money by attracting venture capitolists, or offering an IPO, after which they take the money and run. Six months will tell.

    Later Man...


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    Post  autocrosser on Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:38 pm

    If you browse the website, it provides a link to the "parent company" horsepowersales.net but when you go there, it is a website promoting sales jobs (sales.net), no mention of horsepower, nothing about this miracle engine???
    Checking some more: Revenge designs (supposedly the builder of the car using this engine) Is an aftermarket parts supplier, they don't even actually make what they sell. Their "supercar" is just a Corvette with a body kit.
    Their OTC stock is selling for $.0003 a share. Yes, that's right 3/100 of one penny per share! You can get more cash for a manufacturer's coupon redeemed at a grocery store!
    Me smells a very big stink affraid clown


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    Post  Darkside Dave on Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:44 pm

    Hi AX,
    Yeah I went there and there is a link on the sidebar but It really doesn't tell you much either.

    Hey, while I have your attention, do you have any good online sources to order the easy gring ESAB wire from. Local dealers keep trying to tell me something else is the same and I don't feel like argueing with counter help. Send me a link if you have one.

    Here is the link

    http://www.hp2g.com/

    Later Man...


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    Post  Ed Systems on Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:25 pm

    I've seen a lot of ppl selling 'hydrogen generator' kits for cars on ebay and other sources and their basicly a low level scam Sad
    the generator is little more than a coffee jar filled with salt water and 2 probes (DC current from alternator) in the lid with a length of surgical tube leading to the cars intake.

    of course the law of thermodynamics says the increased amp load on the alternator will make the engine labor harder that the hydrogen can compensate for in increased power.

    There are some promising concepts out there, and the most promising ones are all on youtube, not hidden away like that so called engine concept
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    Post  56panelford on Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:11 pm

    Darkside Dave wrote:Hi AX,
    Yeah I went there and there is a link on the sidebar but It really doesn't tell you much either.

    Hey, while I have your attention, do you have any good online sources to order the easy gring ESAB wire from. Local dealers keep trying to tell me something else is the same and I don't feel like argueing with counter help. Send me a link if you have one.

    Here is the link

    http://www.hp2g.com/

    Later Man...
    Hello Dave, here's a link the you can enter your zip to found a dealer near you, http://www.esabna.com/us/en/support/distributor-locator.cfm don't mention it, John
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    Post  Darkside Dave on Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:48 pm

    John,

    I did that one and it just bought up the places I hd already checked. But thanks for trying though.


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    Post  56panelford on Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:41 pm

    Darkside Dave wrote:John,

    I did that one and it just bought up the places I hd already checked. But thanks for trying though.

    Do you have an Acklands- Grangier in your area? They are a distributor up here, might be worth a shot, just aim high and don'ty shoot your self in the foot,lol
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    Post  Darkside Dave on Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:07 pm

    56panelford wrote:
    Darkside Dave wrote:John,

    I did that one and it just bought up the places I hd already checked. But thanks for trying though.

    Do you have an Acklands- Grangier in your area? They are a distributor up here, might be worth a shot, just aim high and don'ty shoot your self in the foot,lol

    Nope, don't have one of those...


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    alternative fuel or more bad gas?

    Post  tomget on Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:12 am

    I've never heard of these guys Dave, but there's no shortage of scam artists in America. Its the land of the free when it comes to "snake oil sales", and that's what these guys sound like to me. I'm a big fan for improved sources of fuel etc, but I'm not a scientist or even a good mechanic for that matter, but I've learned to be skeptical. The scientific community would be and will be all over any kind of new discovery along these lines. I like Scientific American mag on line or in paper.

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    Post  Darkside Dave on Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:46 am

    tomget wrote:I've never heard of these guys Dave, but there's no shortage of scam artists in America. Its the land of the free when it comes to "snake oil sales", and that's what these guys sound like to me. I'm a big fan for improved sources of fuel etc, but I'm not a scientist or even a good mechanic for that matter, but I've learned to be skeptical. The scientific community would be and will be all over any kind of new discovery along these lines. I like Scientific American mag on line or in paper.

    Tom

    I agree... Time will be the best judge of what is real and what is not. I guess what really amazes me about stuff like this is how far they get with it. I mean this guy actually has a place of business and employees. The report was from a respected and long established newspaper. Since most of these things seem to die on the vine so to speak I have to wonder how they get as far as they do and why they even bother because none seem to have yet succeeded. You would think that they would be smart enough to see the ultimate end of these things if they were knowingly pertetrating a fraud. Go Figure...


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    alternative fuels

    Post  tomget on Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:37 am

    Hi all

    I was also going to "plug" Popular Mechanics. I've become a subscriber to their mag and web site and its also an excellent group of mechanics who really work at debunking things like this. They also have really good articles on basic mechanics/auto repair especially they are always helpful to people like me. They try to go the extra step in good articles regarding maintenance/adjutments how and why your car works like this or that. And for me--not a rocket scientist-the pics and carefully worded articles are very educational. And they've got a helpful atitude that I like.

    I subscribe to both Popular Mechanics and Scientific American--the latter is kinda tough reading for me, because I dont' have a science background or anything but I still give it a shot. I recommend both sources.

    Good luck all
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    Post  autocrosser on Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:38 am

    Darkside Dave wrote:
    tomget wrote:I've never heard of these guys Dave, but there's no shortage of scam artists in America. Its the land of the free when it comes to "snake oil sales", and that's what these guys sound like to me. I'm a big fan for improved sources of fuel etc, but I'm not a scientist or even a good mechanic for that matter, but I've learned to be skeptical. The scientific community would be and will be all over any kind of new discovery along these lines. I like Scientific American mag on line or in paper.

    Tom

    I agree... Time will be the best judge of what is real and what is not. I guess what really amazes me about stuff like this is how far they get with it. I mean this guy actually has a place of business and employees. The report was from a respected and long established newspaper. Since most of these things seem to die on the vine so to speak I have to wonder how they get as far as they do and why they even bother because none seem to have yet succeeded. You would think that they would be smart enough to see the ultimate end of these things if they were knowingly pertetrating a fraud. Go Figure...

    Look at what Madoff was able to put over supposedly savy investors.
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    Post  Darkside Dave on Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:33 am

    Yeah, but he still ended up in jail for what really amounts to being a life sentence. My point is, how could he not see that coming?


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    Post  autocrosser on Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:25 pm

    Madoff? easy, stash billions where the gov can't get to it, even if caught white collar gets club fed and very early parole (M Stewart...). Make token (relatively speaking) restitution or skip to non extredition country and live high off the hog. I'd do it.
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    Post  Darkside Dave on Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:31 pm

    At his age??? I don't think he has time for all that. In addition to that, given the times we are in I really expect them to hound him constantly just to make an example. However, we'll just have to wait and see what happens.


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    times we're in

    Post  tomget on Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:48 pm

    Ya I think you're right on Dave, I almost feel sorry for anyone
    who gets busted for financial fraud like things in this era. My gut tells me (don't have
    any facts)but this is a time to put all the blame on "someone else" or
    "anyone else". I suspect there's a mentality "allowed" by many-especially
    the people in authority-or who were in authority etc to put all the blame on
    someone. Hopefully someone "else".

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    stashing billions

    Post  tomget on Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:28 pm

    Autocrosser
    I think you're right when you suggest the victims and government often don't get
    the money back from the convicted in these situations. Its so tied up with attorneys
    for and against and similar administration, I suppose the wealthy convicted person is
    in a better position with expert advice to "shelter" and protect their assests. Who really
    knows how much they have or where it is?
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    electric cars are NOT the answer right now

    Post  Boilermaker on Tue May 10, 2011 10:20 pm

    more energy is used to create and transfer the electric energy than would be used by burning fuel at the vehicle (internal combustion engine). At this time electric cars make sense only if America were to invest in upgraded electrical transmission lines (like the Ohio valley - to Chicago line) and use Nuclear Power plants to create the electrical power. Given the current climate for nuclear energy that is unlikely.
    Funny how our perspective on nuclear energy is based upon the two worst case examples. How would the airline or motorcycle industry do based upon the worst possible examples?
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    Post  Darkside Dave on Wed May 11, 2011 9:01 am

    Boilermaker wrote:more energy is used to create and transfer the electric energy than would be used by burning fuel at the vehicle (internal combustion engine). At this time electric cars make sense only if America were to invest in upgraded electrical transmission lines (like the Ohio valley - to Chicago line) and use Nuclear Power plants to create the electrical power. Given the current climate for nuclear energy that is unlikely.
    Funny how our perspective on nuclear energy is based upon the two worst case examples. How would the airline or motorcycle industry do based upon the worst possible examples?


    Good Point...

    I was surprised to see this thread visited again after so much time left to lay dormant. Hydrogen as a fuel and fuel sulplement is a good idea but so far no one has come up with a way to extract or generate it with less energy than it produces. If there is a key to this problem this would have to be it. Possibly there is a way of using the electrolysis principal combined with high frequency high voltage pulses to improve the effeciency of the system. I have often thought of experimenting with this idea as I have a background in electronics and experimenting with high energy RF. My quest would be to increase the effeciency of the process to reduce the cost of producing hydrogen as opposed to the idea of getting something for nothing. While electric cars have great promise, people seem to forget that they are still essentially coal powered vehicles so long as most of the nations power is produced with coal. Nuclear power could be a safe and viable alternative if people would do it right. Good luck with that...

    Later...


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