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    Another COE project...

    Post  Darkside Dave on Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:57 pm


    Previously I started a thread here about a COE cab that I came across in my endless quest for old stuff. See:

    http://darksidersrealm.forumotion.com/t303-is-this-worth-40000

    I put it on the back burner and for over a year I didn't give it a lot of thought. Fast forward to last week... I have a '93 E-350 0ne ton cargo van that I bought new. I don't use it much anymore but early on in it's life I put over 250K miles on it in less than three years. I originally bought it to use in expedited freight contract work. It saw 29 states plus Mexico and Canada in that brief period. I lived in that thing and slept in it. I guess that is why I have never been able to get rid of it. For the last ten years it has been a work truck for me and probably didn't get 1,000 miles a year. It's a long wheel base cargo van with the old 7.3 L IDI diesel and the E40D transmission. For a few years it has needed a new TC because the lock-up clutch in it hss been slipping. Two months ago I was bringing home an air compressor and when I was backing the trailer in the front seal in the tranny ruptured and started dumping fluid. I parked it. Since then I have bought a new heavy duty TC and all the seals for the tranny. Last week I got it into the shop and jacked it up. It was when I went under it that I discovered how really bad it was rusted out underneath with the worst of it concentrated around the body mounts. I knew it was starting to get bad but I had no idea how bad it was. I though maybe it would squeeze by for another two years but now I don't think it will make it that long. It is rather deceptive because the outside of the body does not look that bad, Although the body is rusting away the power train and rolling chassis are in great shape, The rust has never attracted the frame beyond mild surface rust.

    Although I have always valued this truck as a cargo van I know it's not worth the investment it would take to make it right. So, I decided it would be a real good candidate to put that COE cab on. These vans are naturally designed for cab forward design. So, I got in touch with the guy that has the cab and learned he still had it and it has a good title. So, if I put it on the van chassis I can title it as a '54 Ford COE. In the above mentioned thread that is also in this category I posted pictures of the COE cab. I will officially delete that thread and continue on here with the project.

    Although this is going to be the official build thread, there won't be much going on here for a while. First I have to get the cab home and then there is the long and expensive process of acquiring the parts I need. Hopefully during that period the van will serve me a while longer and give me time to get some of the other projects advanced to a point where I can switch between them depending on what I have available for each of the other projects. Below I will again post pics of the cab and the donor van. Keep in mind the pictures of the van are at least five years old.













    My son has a van just like this one and is only one digit apart from it on the VIN. We bought both of them at the same time. His is not suffering from Rust because it has spent the last twelve years down by Atlanta. When I take this thing apart he will get the good usable partd I will not need. All the doors and windows in my van are in great shape. If he doesn't want that stuff I will tyry and sell it. the van hsa power windows which are also of value to someone who wants to convert or replace faulty units.

    Preliminary plans are leaning toward making this a toter for fifth wheel and gooseneck trailers. My van is a heavy duty ambulance package and has the right rear end for dual wheels which I may convert it to for the COE cab. Although I don't think I would want to add a sleeper as in the picture of a nice COE I found on Google which I have posted below.



    I'm thinking of much the same set up as this one without the sleeper. I even like the color but I would probably two-tone it with a silver bottom to match my '03 F-350 4WD dually diesel.

    Look for my next post on this thread when I bring home the cab in a week or two.

    Later Folks...


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    Re: Another COE project...

    Post  wmjoe1953 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:22 pm

    AWESOME!!!!!!....on a side note, you don't need the Big Job emblems off the COE, so you are more than welcome to send them to me.....


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    Re: Another COE project...

    Post  Darkside Dave on Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:36 pm

    wmjoe1953 wrote:AWESOME!!!!!!....on a side note, you don't need the Big Job emblems off the COE, so you are more than welcome to send them to me.....



    As I recall they were pretty bad when I saw them. They were pretty well pitted. On another side note, I hooked up with C700 who is now a member here. We talked for aboput an hour the other day. He has a good set of doors but they will probably cost me more than the cab.

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    Oaid for and got the title...

    Post  Darkside Dave on Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:57 pm


    Hi Folks,
    I drove the 130 mile round trip today and paid for the COE cab and got the title. I came back to my hometown and went directly to the title office and got my title in my name. The guy I bought it from said there would be no problem letting it sit there until my new trailer came in. I ought to have it by the 20th unless the builder has a problem with getting the heavier torsion axles I ordered. When I bring the COE cab home I will have it on the flat deck trailer with an 18" high stand under it I'll make out of treated wood and bolt it together. That will be enough to keep the running boards from sitting on the trailer deck and damaging them and scratching the paint on the deck. I will probably strip the cab on the trailer and also put some wheels on the stand so I can roll it off the trailer and move it around.

    I'll post some more pics when I bring it home.

    Later Folks...



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    Post  58 ford on Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:09 pm

    Hey Dave
    Not alot of people on here will know what iam talking about since its related to ham radio.
    But i gotta ask in the pics of the van is that some kinda ringo ranger hf ant?
    I just happend to notice the half round coil at the base.
    Looks interesting i will take a guess tuned to 10mtrs?
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    Re: Another COE project...

    Post  Darkside Dave on Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:34 pm

    58 ford wrote:Hey Dave
    Not alot of people on here will know what iam talking about since its related to ham radio.
    But i gotta ask in the pics of the van is that some kinda ringo ranger hf ant?
    I just happend to notice the half round coil at the base.
    Looks interesting i will take a guess tuned to 10mtrs?
    Andrew





    I think you are talking about the one on the roof rack on the passenger side. It is actually a 2.4 GHz omni-directional with an 8 degree vertical beam width. I had it on there temporarily to test long range WiFi from another directional and omni antenna I had on my tower. It is some kind of high dollar stacked and phased array that pinches the vertical beam width down to eight degrees. In other words it is antenna voodoo stacked in a sealed fiberglass tube. For some reason I can't find the damn thing now and I know it has to be around here someplace. The two antennas on the mirrors are CB and there are also antennas there for 450 Mhz, 2 M and 6 M. All that stuff was on that van when I was running expedited freight all over the contingent U.S. and some in Canada back in the 90s. It has since been all removed. Most of the stuff is Kenwood except the CB which is a Cobra 148GTL side band unit. I have several 2M rigs that will run base or mobile. I want to load up my '53 project with full coverage with exceptions of HF because the antennas are too hooky looking and it's not a lot of good unless you run a big amp anyway. It will have 450 MHz, 220 MHz, 2M and 6M as well as amplified WiFi and of course CB onboard. That is why I am calling it the Radio Flyer. Of course this is all contingent upon living long enough. If not, my son is a ham too and he can carry on the project.

    Later Man...


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    Post  58 ford on Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:41 pm

    HEY Dave
    OK i was just wondering.
    Is there alot of interest in 220mhz down there? I have some 220 stuff but no repeaters in the area.
    Maybe you should think about putting a sleeper on the coe,Mobile ham shack hehe.
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    Post  Darkside Dave on Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:25 am

    58 ford wrote:HEY Dave
    OK i was just wondering.
    Is there alot of interest in 220mhz down there? I have some 220 stuff but no repeaters in the area.
    Maybe you should think about putting a sleeper on the coe,Mobile ham shack hehe.
    Andrew






    Not sure anymore... I think there is an online repeater directory someplace. My directories are all old and some of those repeaters are probably down now. I used to find a lot of them back in the 90s but there wasn't a lot of traffic. The only reason I had 220 was the fact that I bought a Kenwood tri-band unit that had it on it from a guy who needed money.

    I don't want to mess with a sleeper because of several reasons. First I don't plan on anything longer than day trips and car shows. second is that the diesel cops will be on my ass if I have it on there. they think it's for commercial work and try to nail you for log books and the scales. Also building a nice sleeper will add lots of expense to the project I don't want. I also like the idea of having a back window to look out of when hitching up because I do most of it by myself. I also think it would detract from the classic look of the cab as there were hardly any of these that had a sleeper on them. I plan on keeping the total project on this one under $3,000.00 which just happens to be the same as my other projects. That means I need to stay under 9K for the three of them.

    Later Man...


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    Re: Another COE project...

    Post  Duke55 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:22 pm

    Dave, that is going to be a fun project. Diesels in old fords are very cool. I have a 79 ford F250 4x4 crew cab I built a couple of years ago (of course the project never ends) for my tow rig. Nothing better then 20 mpg with tons of power and black smoke.


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    Re: Another COE project...

    Post  Darkside Dave on Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:49 pm

    Hi Duke,



    The coe is paid for and I have the title for it. I was hoping to go get it this weekend but it will probably be later in the week as my new trailer is here but It's still in a big stack of about four trailers that my friend the dealer brought back from Indiana. Hopefully I can go down on Sunday and help him get them unloaded. I built a platform of treated lumber to sit it on when it's on the trailer and I'll probably put some wheels on it when I get it here. The van is not necessarily the end donor for this project. I want diesel and at least one ton with duallies but 4WD would also be nice. But I still have lots of time to shop around. I have had three Ford Diesels so far. The first was the van in this thread and the second was a 7.3 IDI Turbo. I would actually like to find one of those but the window of manufactureing time was so small. It would have to be a 94 I think. I would really like to have the 4WD because in combo with an OD tranny and the low range you effectively have over and under capability. I have feelers out on Craig's list so something might turn up in my price range. I plan on taking some still shots as well as video when we go to pick it up and load it. I will add that stuff to the thread.I think for at least a week I'll park it out front on the trailer with a big red bow on it and a sign that says Merry Christmas to me. That will piss off my asshole neighbor and I consider that an added bonus. While I personally favor the '53 to '56 conventional and COE cabs as opposed to the seemingly more popular '56s, I don't like the '53 to '55 grille pieces. I kind of favor using the '56 grille in chrome but they want as much for it as I paid for the truck. I have been racking my head trying to come up with something I can get at the bone yards that will work for me on this. So far nothing has struck my fancy.


    Later Man...

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    Post  Duke55 on Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:07 pm

    I put a 97 12V Cummins with automatic OD, lockup TC and 1 ton transfer case in mine. The Cummins is a good conversion motor due to their simplicity, reliability and fuel economy. However, in most cases they are more money then other older diesels. They are dimensionally very long and tall, which probably isn't good for a cab over.

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    Post  Darkside Dave on Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:35 pm

    Duke55 wrote:I put a 97 12V Cummins with automatic OD, lockup TC and 1 ton transfer case in mine. The Cummins is a good conversion motor due to their simplicity, reliability and fuel economy. However, in most cases they are more money then other older diesels. They are dimensionally very long and tall, which probably isn't good for a cab over.


    Duke,

    Yeah that woud probably be a good choice but I have had good luck with the performance of the Ford diesels and they are most likely easier to find with a good rolling chassis included. As for height, that is no problem with the COE as it sits way up high over the engine and I will probably end up fabricating my own dogbox and tranny cover.

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    I finally got it home...

    Post  Darkside Dave on Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:24 am


    Hi Folks,

    I finally got this thing home... Going after it and picking it up was both a small adventure and an unexpected pleasure. Keep in mind that even though my place and where the truck cab was are in Ohio, It's actually the SE quadrant of Ohio right across the river from West Virginia and it is just as much a part of Appalachia as is West Virgina. The terrain is hilly with lots of winding roads. Since I have been to the place where the cab was two previous times I knew just where to go. I met with a friend from the car club at a local K-Mart shopping center parking lot around 8:00AM and we were off to be at the pick up point by 10:00PM This was the first run for my new trailer and I was not sure if I would have to go past the place and turn around to get into the drive which was about a 140 degree right turn off a narrow winding highway. As it turned out I had plenty of room to make the turn both in and out. The fellow I bought the COE from is rather into cars and trucks, (I believe he said he has about thirty of them), had the COE located next door to his place on his dad's place. He arranged to have a fellow who owns a real nice big JCB 4WD back hoe there to lift the cab onto the trailer using the hoe as a sort of hydraulic crane. We got there a little early and they were still preparing for the lift. I introduced my self to Bill, the owner of the back hoe. This fellow is one of those guys that is a pleasure to meet and get to know. I was expecting to pay the man for his invaluable assistance with his machine. He absolutely refused to take any payment for his work. I finally convinced him to at least let me buy him a steak dinner and stuffed a twenty dollar bill in the pocket of his bib overhauls. As you will see in the pictures below, that cab is home now and is sitting on my brand new trailer I hope to soon begin stripping it down and assessing the work that is needed to make it into what I have in mind.

















    Yeah, I know, It's all pretty much the same as you saw before. However, I thought I'd like to show the project is one step closer to reality by being on my home turf. Believe me, it was a major step in the project.

    Later Folks...



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    nice move

    Post  Boilermaker on Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:18 am

    Dave,

    Nice job getting that cab moved. Since I've been out to your house I realize the hills you need to negotiate. It is good to see that everything stayed in place with no issues. Good luck on your build, your energy level is impressive.

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    Post  Darkside Dave on Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:35 am

    Boilermaker wrote:Dave,

    Nice job getting that cab moved. Since I've been out to your house I realize the hills you need to negotiate. It is good to see that everything stayed in place with no issues. Good luck on your build, your energy level is impressive.

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    Thanks Boiler,

    I have strong doubts about my energy level but thanks anyway... I just hope I can live up the the reputation I am presenting which is probably dependent upon my chances of staying healthy and viable for the next ten years. I'm about to turn 67 so I have to be practical about all this. I mean is it possible or am I fooling myself? The other side of the argument is that keeping in the game and doing this stuff may be the greatest factor in keeping me going. But what the hell,,, my son is also into this stuff so he will end up with everything finished of not as well as all the tools and equipment. He won't get any money but he will need to build another building to put everything in.

    Later Man...


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