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    Post  DL BOGART on Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:43 am

    Well. i learned something new today, never Knew they made such an engine. Should give a reasonable power level, as well as decent MPG.
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    Re: 1954 F-100 Restoration

    Post  wmjoe1953 on Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:00 am

    You know, for the era, I think 130 hp @ 4200, isn't too bad. The torque rating was 214 @ 1800-2200. 7.2:1 compression ratio, and 130 lbs cranking pressure. Not a 1/4 mi dream for sure, but decent for an old truck. It should motor on down the road pretty good, since the curb weight is only around 3400 lbs. With the tire size, and the gear ratios for the diff, and tranny, he'll be right at the top of the peak power curve at about 50 mph, which means he could still mash the pedal and pass, if needs be, but won't be able to maintain modern highway speeds, but it will be an awesome, and potent little city truck. The mileage won't be great, but I would imagine it being comparable to a modern pick-ups around town rating. I would say it could possibly see around 14-16 highway, and probably 8-10 in town. Third gear is 1.00:1, and the gears are 3.92, so if he cruises in the engines power band, it should respond well, and yield favorable mpgs. As for the motors, yeah. 48-53 239 flat head, 54-5, 239 OHV. 56 was 272 (in three different configuration), and so was 57. The 58 saw the introduction of the 292 for trucks, unless it was 59, I can't remember.


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    Post  wmjoe1953 on Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:35 pm

    Been busy building an old Ford, and doing other things, so I haven't been able to keep up with the updates. It's time to post some info...

    Lots of parts have been ordered, and I am doing paint, and body work now. Cab has been painted, and it looks great. Actually, I just finished spraying the final color coat on the cab about an hour, and a half ago. I'll be able to cut and buff the cab tomorrow, or Monday. In a few, I'll go out, and start priming, and coloring the doors, and front end metal. I want the cab, doors, and front end on the chassis byt Tuesday, at the latest. Time's tight, and I am hoping to have the truck at a show in Newberg (the owners hometown) for his family get together that is also the weekend of a big annual cruise-in/parade/show. That is the weekend of July 30-31. Right at two weeks away, but since I have all the parts here, or enroute, and I'm painting this weekend, I don't see it as being an issue. The chassis is finished, and I even managed to get a couple short drives in my neighborhood. The fuel pump broke off in the engine (it was an original piece so go figure), and I had to fish out the arm, and replace the pump. The carb leaked around the shaft, and a little OS shaft from Speedway Motors fixed it right up. Beyond that, it's all ready to go, and get to assembly. Santa Jr's been making regular visits, and it really feels like Christmas in July. Tons of excellent parts.







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    Re: 1954 F-100 Restoration

    Post  Darkside Dave on Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:19 pm


    Looking Good Man...

    With an approaching deadline like you have I am surprised to see you do this post. However, I'm glad you did as the board seems to be abandoned lately. Even my neighbor who is making great progress on his project has not posted in a long time. Hopefully everyone is busy making great progress on their projects and will catch up when the weather changes and the Summer time stuff winds down. I suspect you are going to be just a bit sad to let this one go. However, it should be a great public example of your work. I am wondering what your final total bill will be on this thing. Great work.

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    Post  wmjoe1953 on Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:45 pm

    Thanks Dave. There's not much left to do, but pretty much put it together. I have everything here, waiting to go on, except for two orders that are in transit. I dug out all the extra bolts, screws, and small parts I have from various other projects, and rigs I've picked up, so I have everything laid out by group, or area, and ready to install. So far, the total is right at about $7200, including the machine shop work, and shipping charges on the various orders placed. A remarkably low number, considering we had to buy a parts truck. I'm being compensated by receiving a truck in trade, and some insulation work for the house. I also get rcognition at shows, parades, etc. for the work. The guy invited me to come with to it's unvailing, so I may attend and possibly drum up another resto job or something, one that pays cash, of course.


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    Re: 1954 F-100 Restoration

    Post  wmjoe1953 on Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:18 pm

    Fixing the bed today. Got the front end loosely mounted yesterday.









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    Re: 1954 F-100 Restoration

    Post  Darkside Dave on Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:57 am

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    Hi Joe,
    Your project is looking good, but in looking at you pictures I think maybe I noticed some things I wanted to ask about. However, please do not take this as critism. I say that because I am aware that every project has certain intended goals. Please accept this as curious observations and nothing more. After seeing your Falcon project I am well aware of your talent and capabilities.

    I realize that cameras and digital photography can distort images and colors as well as shading in less that perfect light conditions so I am taking that into account.

    In looking at your latest pictures I thought I noticed some places in the doors that looked a little wavy and mabe a few dings that could have been filled in. Is this just me or is it possible that you purposely left the minor imperfections intentionally? I am old enough to have lived and driven these old trucks in their time and I know for a fact that they were not as perfect as what is built and sold nowadays. So, I though that maybe this was an attempt to leave some things well enough alone as is often a trend these days with some of the older restorations.

    All these observations and comments I am making are mostly related to my own matters of interest as they relate to my '53 project. I make this point because I have been strugling with just how far I want to go with the refinement in body and paint work. I feel somewhat inclined to go with the classic twenty footer look. This is to say that I will not be spending thousands of dollars on the paint and extremely fine body work. Of course my my goal is a good solid body with a bare minimum of filler. I am also willing to accept the occasional imperfection in terms of a few waves and/or dings or dimples I will undoubtedly miss before the paint goes on.

    In regard to paint choices, I get the suspicion that you have used a less expensive kind of implement & machinery paint something like you can get at Tractor Supply or some other farm or industrial supply place. Am I wrong on this account? I restore old welders, generators, air compressors and other shop equipment like lathes and milling machines. In doing so I have used a lot of the above mentioned kind of paint as well as lots of Rustoleum used with a hardener agent. I have often been impressed with the results. Perhaps you have seen some of the stuff I have done. I believe there is some of it here on the board. With that in mind I am very much inclined to go with a basic bright red color of this kind of industrial enamel on my '53. Years ago I did an old '72 Ford F-250 I bought cheap and put together for a work truck. I did it two tone with red and white Rustoleum and no hardener. It came out way better than I expected and I was amazed at how many favorable comments I got on it.

    Being as I plan on my '53 being a driver that I would like to use occasionally, and therefore it would be exposed to traffic and the parking lots, it just does not make sense to me to spend K-bucks and risk it. There is also my dogged determination to bring that project in at around $3K. So far my total investment is at about $750.00 because of my buying and swaping of parts and vehicles. And that investment figure is actually the total for two truck projects. If I go the way I plan on the paint I think I can meet my goal. As you know, the whole idea of this board is to promote the practice of doing these projects cheap but safe and dependable. More than anything I want to emphasize that this sort of practice is affordable as well as practical. I honestly believe people can do these projects without having to resort to some of the shoddy death traps that seem to be very popular nowadays. Please don't misunderstand me, I understand where the rat rod craze is coming from and I even think it has been the source of a lot of innovation. However, I am concerned that some of that stuff is so ridiculous and unsafe that eventually the powers that be are going to start cracking down and bringing with it a lot of regulations and headaches the rest of us have not had to deal with so far. I guess what I am saying is that a little reasonable thinking goes a long way toward preserving a hobby we all enjoy.

    OK man, I got a little off track there and long winded there. Please accept my apology for mucking up your build thread. If you like I can delete this post in order to clean up your thread. I mainly just wanted to coment on observations and relate them to other matters I feel that are important to all of us.

    Great work Man... I applaud your speed and dilligence.

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    Post  wmjoe1953 on Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:36 pm

    It's all good Dave. Yes, there are a couple spots in the door I need to fix. That is this weekends goal. Good eye. The camera makes them look worse than they are, because of the angle I was at, and the lighting. This truck is to be a 1 footer when finished. There will be no visible flaws in the exterior appearance. I am, however, NOT body working the inside of the box, as the owner intends to use it on occassion.


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    Post  wmjoe1953 on Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:48 pm

    Pulled the plug on the build yesterday. Owner adjusted the terms, and conditions too much, and I told I couldn't finish it in the time, and manner he wanted. Originally, when he brought it to me March 15th, we had agreed that it was an "as much time as needed to make it right" type project, and there weren't any problems with that. I couldn't complete the paint the body work under his modified conditions, since I have a garage, and no booth, I informed him that I had to have time to spray, sand, spray again, and sand it again until it was right, since I couldn't completely control dust, and insect problems. He came with his trailer, and a friend and they pcked it up to assemble it themselves, and finish the paint work in a buddies paint shop (which I told him he should have had done that to begine with for the body, and just brought it to me to assemble). Oh well, now I can start on the Cummins transplant for a 70 Chevy C-40 bus. I'm disappointed, but it's not really my problem.


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    Re: 1954 F-100 Restoration

    Post  Darkside Dave on Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:19 pm

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    BUMMER MAN !!!

    Does this mean you don't get any compensation? Of course I have no idea what all the details are but on the surface it looks like the guy played you to do the work you did. Sorry to hear it turned out that way. I have been bitten by deals like that before so any more I just say pay as you go unless it's something all mine that I intend to sell.

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    Post  wmjoe1953 on Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:51 pm

    Nope, I'll get hosed for my time in the project. At this point, I'll chalk it up to a loss all around, and make DAMNED sure I never get in that position again. I'll take your advice on that one, pay as you go. If I do another one for some one, I'll make them pick a body shop, and have them handle that, and I will do nothing more than the drive train, and assembly. That way, if there is any issue, it's on them, not me.


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    Post  Darkside Dave on Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:22 am

    wmjoe1953 wrote:Nope, I'll get hosed for my time in the project. At this point, I'll chalk it up to a loss all around, and make DAMNED sure I never get in that position again. I'll take your advice on that one, pay as you go. If I do another one for some one, I'll make them pick a body shop, and have them handle that, and I will do nothing more than the drive train, and assembly. That way, if there is any issue, it's on them, not me.

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    THAT SUCKS MAN...

    That guy has to be a real piece of low life shit in my book. I think you should post a general warning to the fact that this kind of thing can happen. I think you also ought to post this asshole's name and address in that warning so other people don't get screwed by him. People like that need a sign hung around their neck to warn others to say clear of them.

    I have gotten to the point where if I take on work for others I let them know up front and in writing what my policy is. If it's a long term job I tell them that I need to be paid once a week or month depending on the job length and the type work.. When the money stops so does the work. I take it to my neighbor's storage unit, rent a stall and the storage bll starts mounting. Even if they don't want it finished and want to take it away they have to pay up in full to get it back. If I have to load it up in my trailer and deliver it to them they pay for that too. I have found that most honest peope have no problem with this. As a matter of fact, they like this plan as it allows them to go as slow or fast as they can afford which is not all that much different than what people who do their own project do.

    Unfortunately I have also found that people who try to broker trade or swap deals are usually out to get something for nothing. I have had very few cases where that has turned out well for me.

    Of course I know nothing about the details of what exactly happened between you and this guy but I'm pretty sure I would have kept the truck until he came up with some money to pay for what I did less the paint work that seemed to be his major objection. I'm betting he will not repaint it or get it repainted.

    I am assuming that where you live there are small claim courts. That is what we have here which are good for claims up to $2,000.00. You can file the claim to get a court date yourself without using an attorney. All you need is your statement as to what the claim is for and pictures and/or statements written or in person from others that that have wittnessed any or all of the deal and the work. This build thread is actually documented evidence of what work you did. You can actually print all this out with information and a link to it's location here on the board. Every post is time stamped. Your pictures show the work and when it was done. The judge decides what and if the defendant pays. It's pretty much like Judge Judy. I am sure you would be rewarded some compensation for your work and/or materials that you had to supply. I would not let this guy walk. If you get a judgement you can use it to slap a lien on the guy if he does not pay. The only down side is that you need to go and represent yourself and provide all the evidence. You also have to pay a small filing fee. In addition to the 2K limit, our court allows interest and court costs including your filing fee. Also, if the guy fails to appear in court you get an automatic judgment for your claim. If they don't pay, you can pay another small fee and the court sends out the balliff to colect or sieze the property in question. I have had to do this and it works. If what they have is worth anything they will jump through their ass to get you paid when the court people show up. If not, then you get the vehicle and a clear title if it is worth less than the amount owed to you. If it's worth way more it has to be sold at a sheriffs sale on the court house steps for a minimum of 2/3rds the appraised value. This guy needs to learn a lesson. Don't worry about your reputation. It simply sets you up as a guy the rest of these assholes won't bother. Better for you...

    OK, that's about all I have on this. Sorry if it seems like I am sticking my nose into your business. I just wanted you to know there are ways to handle these people.

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    Post  jerryj on Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:47 pm

    That's why I don't do work for people anymore. The last time I did something for a paying customer was in 84. I had issues with two separate customers a couple of years apart. The first guy, contrary to my recommendations insisted he wanted his 70 Chevelle painted with lacquer. The agreement was: he would purchase the supplies, have the car prepped and ready for paint, he would help mask it and he would do all the post wet sanding, I would inspect and identify any body work issues, help with the masking, spray it and buff it. My charge was $500. After I painted the car he showed up and went ballistic over the typical luster free shine of lacquer. I took some 1200 grit paper, wet sanded and buffed the sail panel and said "is this what you where expecting?". I took my little note book out and showed him the notes that I had taken from our first meeting. Even to this day I keep a CYA file it keeps everyone honest. He did finish the car and was very happy with it. The second guy wouldn't pay his final payment. Because he was a "friend" and I trusted him I let him take the car. The reason I wasn't getting paid was unrelated to the quality of work I did. It was because he was going to sell it to some guy for some ridiculous amount. The buyer figured out it wasn't such a great deal and backed out. I had to take him to small claims court. If I remember right it cost $65 to file. I don't think we were in front of the judge for more than 10 minutes. The judge asked me one question about the why I allowed him to take the car without receiving final payment? He asked him four questions: Did I do the agreed upon work ? Was it acceptable? Why didn't he pay? What kind of business was he in (he was self employed). At least he was honest about all of his answers. The judge mocked him a little bit about being a business owner and gave a parallel scenario for his business, made the judgement in favor of me and it was done. I got paid in two days including my filing fee.
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    Post  DL BOGART on Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:50 pm

    I had a similar deal back in the '80s, only it wasn't work, just a car swap with a "good friend". I let him take the car,expecting him to bring me back the other one the next day...I finaly took him to court and he had to pay the amount of cash we agreed on after his mommy said he couldn't trade the car from the original deal... It was a piece if shit anyways, so I'm probably better off wothout it. Definitely better off without his "friendship"!!
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    Post  Darkside Dave on Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:30 am


    Now here's a situation that deserves more discussion. I don't know if there are any of us that have not been on the bad end of one of these deals. I guess it's one of those painfull learning by experience life lessons that everyone gets to experience.

    I do a lot work in my shop that I intend to sell to make a bit of a profit from. One example would be the air compressor I just finished restoring. See http://darksidersrealm.forumotion.com/t421-restored-compressor As things of this nature go it's not really a monster project but it did amount to a quite a lot of work for a few weeks. In this case I bought it from a friend and fellow car club member. I'm sure he may have had some reservations in selling it to a friend and maybe he might have thought he didn't get enough for it. If he had been a complete stranger I think it would have been aneasier deal for both of us. However, it worked out OK I think because neither of us seem to think we got a bad deal. I gave him $125.00 for it and I picked it up and brought it home. I did have to do some work inside the pump because one of the valves was shot. I had to make the parts myself. I think maybe some people would have been upset by that but I look at everything in the worst case scenario which would have been a not repairable pump. He sold me the compressor because the motor blew. As you can see from the "BEFORE" pictures, it was in sad looking shape.

    Moving on... In the "AFTER" pictures I think you can see that I put a lot of work into the project which included a lot of additional stuff the unit never had before. It is my intent to sell it for about $600.00 but that may end up being less given the present state of the economy. If you read the post in the above link you will learn that I loaned it to my neighbor, who is also a member of this board. He is in the process of painting his hot rod and his little compressor is not good for much more than blowing away dust and inflating tires. I thought it would be good to let him use it and that way if there are any problems I can fix them as opposed to finding out about them after a sale. So far after his painting of the cab, there have been no problems and he says it has performed very well. I now feel quite sure it will be a decent value to a buyer.

    Next step, the sale... Since my neighbor doesn't have a good compressor, he might want to buy this one. Here in lies the rub... Lets say that somewhere dowen the road in the next year something goes wrong with the compressor. If I had sold it to a complete stranger, a problem far off in the future would not bother me because everything is subject to eventual failure and I have no way of controlling how they treatr it or take care of it. If my neighbor had it I would probably feel somewhat indebted and even try to fix the problem. I'm old and retired and I do these things for little extra cash. I want to sell and forget so I can move on to the next thing.

    So, as a matter of preference, I try to advertise to sell to strangers. I've not had a lot of deals go bad but there are always a few people who are not satisfied. I found that my quickest remedy is to just offer to give their money back if there is any legitimacy to their complaint. In all cases so far they just refuse and want to keep on complianing. I think that it is a ploy to try and get some money back and keep the item in question. That situation is bad enough with a stranger and can be the end of a friendship in the case of a friend.

    Heres what I do... In most cases of friends and deals, I have a very limited number of them I will do any kind of deal with. The few that I will deal with I either resort to trading with as opposed to money deals. There are only three friends I have that I feel completely comfortable dealing with on all terms. Maybe it's just coincidence, but these are ths same people I would feel comfortable lending any equipment, vehicles or tools to. This is because I know that if they broke or damaged anything they would take care of the problem. Maybe that is the reason I have a limited circle of what I consider real friends. For my part I have tried very hard not to borrow from friends and in most cases I have been fortunate enough to be the guy with the most stuff and the least need to borrow. Some of my stuff spends most of it's time with one of my real friends.

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