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    First '53 Build Thread

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    Darkside Dave
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    Re: First '53 Build Thread

    Post  Darkside Dave on Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:21 pm


    Well, you may not have to do that. My plasma cutter crapped out on me today. It's still under warranty. I have to say that buying that thing was a mistake. It's a Thermal Dynamics and has a four year warranty. This is the second time I have had it crap out on me. I now wish I had bought a Lincoln instead. The last place that worked on it said there was nothing wrong with it and charged me $65.00. So much for factory authorized repairs... This time I am going to call the company and have them tel me where I can take as opposed to having a dealer send it in.

    I did manage to get most of the stuff cut away on the firewall and upper cowling. They're rough cuts and they will have to be trimmed and new pieces will have to be made to put the parts of the Explorer and the '53 together. I will post more pictures when I get the practice cab set in place on the Explorer floor pan and firewall. The trick is going to begetting the old to blend with the new. Imagine if you will, the old windshield wipers and linkage working with a modern motor, yet keeping most of the Explorer fire wall and all the heat and A/C systems of the Explorer. Hopefully I'll have something done and some pictures posted by the end of the week.

    Later Folks...


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    Re: First '53 Build Thread

    Post  Darkside Dave on Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:57 am

    55f350 wrote:i geuss i canput that voodoo doll of your plasma cutter and welders away now ................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol!




    Well, you could have just asked me to slow down you know... It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper. Can you just undo your Voodoo shit and I will promise to go slower? It's about to happen anyway as soon as the parts arrive for the paying job that's in the shop right now. That will probably put the stops to things on the truck for a week or two at least.

    Later Man...


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    Thats Dad for you

    Post  FRANKENTRUCK on Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:30 pm

    Thats Dad for you, always maxing out the equipment

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    Re: First '53 Build Thread

    Post  Darkside Dave on Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:33 am

    FRANKENTRUCK wrote:Thats Dad for you, always maxing out the equipment






    Thanks Son,
    It's times like this that make me proud of you. You are not the least bit hesitant to take a shot at the old man...


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    Will it Fit ???

    Post  Darkside Dave on Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:33 am


    In my dreams....





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    Maybe some good news...

    Post  Darkside Dave on Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:59 pm


    I did some more measuring in the SC today and just maybe the shifter on the SC tranny will fit up through the the hole provided for it in the Explorer tranny hump. It really depends on motor mount position as well but that may be something I can change. Of course now it remains to be seen if there is a way to get a transfer case on it.

    In other news, I just got off the phone with Thermal Dynamics and they are sending a complete new circuit board for the inside of the plasma cutter including free shipping and a label to send it back with. I have to do the work but that beats driving a hundred miles to take it to a service center and then waiting to get it back which means a total of 400 miles and a minimum of a week's wait. Maybe my first judgment was a little harsh on Thermal Dynamics... Now, if I can just keep Kevin from dragging out those voodoo dolls of my equipment...

    Later Folks...


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    I think this is what I need to know...

    Post  Darkside Dave on Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:31 pm


    Back Again....
    I found these pictures which pretty much explain the differences.




    This is the SC version


    The 2WD version


    The 4WD version...

    And it looks to me as though the top loader and the transfer case from the 4WD version will fit the SC 2WD version. Unless I'm really missing something here, that should be all there is to this. Now I need to look for the right Ford F-150s in the bone yards.

    Thanks guys, you helped me get here.

    Later...


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    Re: First '53 Build Thread

    Post  Darkside Dave on Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:09 pm

    55f350 wrote:see sometimes i knowz whatz i'm babbling on about dave ........... it's a little difficult sometimes due to the incoherent way in which it escapes from my mind , but .............. should be a drop in and away you go !!!!!!!!!!

    I found a complete rebuilt with transfer case for $700.00. Now I need to generate some cash. I just put the 351 with the big truck tranny and transfer case up for sale for $750.00 Maybe it will sell...

    Later Man...


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    On with the quest...

    Post  Darkside Dave on Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:21 am


    Hi Folks,
    Still planning and plotting here to get that tranny and transfer case I found on Craigslist. I also found a set of 3.8 headers that were for a Mustang. I'm thinkin' that they will work OK if they will fit both the super charged and regular version of the 3.8L. As for the exit angle and all that I am not worried because I can cut and TIG them to fit before I bead blast and ceramic coat them.

    The outside weather here is now getting back to prime working conditions outside where I am cutting and fitting the cab to the firewall and floor section of the Explorer. Unfortunately today i have to go out on a paying job and that will kill the day. I still need to get the plasma cutter back in service but the new board Thermal Dynamics is sending has not arrived yet. That will take at least an entire morning because there are about fifty connections to make on that thing. It doesn't just plug in.

    Kevin,
    If you are further interested in the SC tranny it would probably be a good idea to move that talk over here because as you know, the FTE board Nazis are really anal when you talk trades or sales in the forums. Over here I don't care about it. Really I don't see why they care. It's probably just a control freak thing. Most likely they are hen pecked and need the control thing to vent their frustration. I find it's just easier to avoid that shit by doing what we want over here.

    OK, that's all I have for now. Maybe I'll find something to add later.

    Later Folks...


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    Re: First '53 Build Thread

    Post  Darkside Dave on Tue May 04, 2010 9:54 am


    Yeah, I got a set of headers coming and it will be at least 2" pipes off of them going back to a rear turbocharger to pump air into the supercharger up front. Since it has an intercooler I might as well make use of it to cool the TC output. Mounting TC's to the rear makes for a lot less heat to dissipate.

    I have to look for a hood and some back fenders. the hood is the most important. It doesn't have to be perfect so long as it's repairable. I have all the hinges, braces and latches.

    Later Man...


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    OK, OK, OK....

    Post  Darkside Dave on Thu May 06, 2010 9:42 am


    I guess I better come clean here... I took a real verbal beating for my Turbocharger idea from several people I know. I got the whole burnt piston / toasted valve scenario from them. I still don't think they had any real idea what I was looking for. They had a picture in their head of all out max boost and I was actually thinking of just a slight mark above positive pressure going into the system which would probably be over come by the volumetric demand on the system when any real degree of RPM was churned up. I was really thinking of just keeping the input air to the SC just above a zero and no vacuum by using a preset blow off valve to regulate input pressure. I have since decided to rethink this as I believe it might be possible to do what I want with some kind of high volume electrically powered blowers. I may try some experiments with an old leaf blower and some very fast and powerful 12 VDC motors I have. It would be interesting to see if it is possible to produce enough volume to bring the intake up to a slightly positive pressure. I'm going to have to do some calculations to determine needed CFM. If this sort of system is possible to make it would be an on demand thing that would not always need to be used. Anyone got a junk leaf blower they don't want???

    Now, back to the present... Still waiting on the plasma cutter but I see some other problems on the project. While slowly cutting away parts of the practice cab and the Explorer fire wall section I see several problems. One is a matter of cutting away more than I had anticipated on the cab's front cowling. That I think I can deal with, but it's going to take a lot more sheet metal fabrication than I had thought. The other is the matter of getting the old style windshield wiper integrated with the newer stuff. It's a real linkage problem. So far the best idea I have been able to come up with is a dual acting master and slave cylinder system driven by crank on the Explorer wiper motor in it's original location. I need a couple of very small double acting cylinders with a 4 to 5 inch stroke and a very small bore of .5 to .75 inch.

    I'm still looking around to come up with some sort of a custom grille and lighting arrangement to fill in that big gaping hole in front. I do not like the '53 grille. I do like the '54 and '55 but I'd want chrome and there ain't no way I'm going for $450.00 plus for that. I still need some rear fenders and a hood. I don't mind rough stuff as long as it is repairable.

    OK, that's pretty much it for now. Maybe I will have more to report next week after I get the plasma cutter back.

    Later Folks...


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    Re: First '53 Build Thread

    Post  charger on Fri May 07, 2010 9:58 am

    here`s a website, my brother in law`s shop, they run FJO systems in their turbo cars http://www.wallsrodcustom.com/

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    FJ What ???

    Post  Darkside Dave on Fri May 07, 2010 12:29 pm


    I don't have the slightest idea what FJO is but it sounds cool...

    As I stated previously, there seems to be a big misunderstanding in what I am interested in doing. My main goal was to eliminate the negative atmospheric pressure in the air intake path to the SC. It was not my goal to induce massive boost to the SC as everyone seems to think. There is no real need for turbocharging in the classic sense. The idea of using a TC to create the positive pressure was only toyed with because the exhaust was there and you can get TC's cheap online. The problem I see is that there is an intercooler between the air intake and the supercharger which is likely to not work all that well if the air density is diminished by a partial vacuum. Since there is inherent flow resistance from the best of filters I wanted to eliminate that. The intercooler would be better described as a pre-cooler. It also has no fan and effectively serves no real purpose at lower speeds or from a dead start. I was not joking when I said that I would consider experimenting with electric blowers even if they were employed on a demand sensing system. I am also thinking of installing a small evaporative coil in front of the cooler that runs from the AC system and adding a fan to move the cooled air through the cooler.. these are just ideas to experiment with. If you never try you never know....

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    And that ain't all...

    Post  Darkside Dave on Sat May 08, 2010 10:04 am

    Darkside Dave wrote:
    These are just ideas to experiment with. If you never try you never know....

    Later Man...



    FURTHERMORE...

    Going back and looking at my last post and especially the last line, I was reminded of one of my major peeves. I have a real problem with people who say I can't do something and/or it won't work. Yet 99% of these people have never actually tried or done something. Most of them get their so-called expert opinion from something they read or heard from someone else. I'm not saying that it is a bad idea to read and learn as much as you can from many different sources. What I am saying is first and foremost, consider and qualify the source. I love using the old giant killer... "Have you ever done this or do you have direct knowledge of a case where someone else has???" That is usually when the BS begins. "Well, I read..." "I heard that..." "According to..." The list goes on and on...

    Here's the bottom line. Doing stuff that has not been done or tried before and learning from it is what the Darkside is all about. Negativity has no place here on the Darkside. Please understand, there is a big difference in saying something can't be done and pointing out why there is or might be a problem.

    Later Folks...


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    Re: First '53 Build Thread

    Post  charger on Mon May 10, 2010 2:58 pm

    it can`t be done! Very Happy just kidding! fjo is a complete fuel injection system that you can have plugged into your existing sensor,injectors ect, it has self tune capability controls waste gates ect, pretty cool system, big$$$, o.k going back to what your talking about, you want to put a blower in between the air filter and the turbo correct? this would help a lot,think of the turbo drag cars there`s a reason they have their turbo up front non filtered (hole through their headlight ect.) ram air for the turbo! burn down your engine shouldn`t happen, exhaust gas is constantly monitored through egt sensor and if i remember correctly this car has a electric wastegate, if the engine would run too mutch boost detonation would occur excessive heat ect, the waste gate would open up

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